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africa and united states president obama. one of the differences addressing directly your point. at what point we don't know, de klerk and his allies decided it was in their interest to make mandela's presidency successful for south africa. they didn't like it. they ran against him. but for the good of the nation, to have this great reconciliation, we need to make this work. i don't think that has happened with president obama. there are those that have said that no matter what, he can do whatever it is miraculous, we are determined to have his demise. and we don't care if the country itself is shut down, government, whatever. i think that's the big difference in the opposition they faced is the commitment to the country over your party's position. >> one lesson, i think, from mandela's example for president obama, for any leader, mandela never ceded the moral high ground. he always kept the moral high ground. and i believe that was in part his nature, and i believe that was in part a calculation that in the end, morality would work out. in the end the arc of history would bend toward mo
or more. >>> right now president obama and the first lady en route to south africa for nelson mandela's memorial service scheduled for tomorrow. they left washington on "air force one" this morning along with former secretary of state hillary clinton and former president george w. bush and his wife laura. president bill clinton and jimmy carter traveling separately to the service. two lawmakers part of a delegation heading to the country, 22 house democrats as well as illinois republican and texas senator ted cruz. the memorial is expected to draw a who's who of leaders, david cameron, prince charles, afghanistan's hamid karzai and cuba's raul castro. joining me from south africa, nbc's ron allen. can you give me a sense of what it's like on the ground and the preparations that are under way. >> it's been an amazing few days since we've been here. in case you can't hear, it's raining, it's dark. there are still crowds out there chanting, choirs, is a mood of festivity, jubilation. also grief and mourning, but for the most part it's been a time of celebrating the life of nelson mandela
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